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 Post subject: Re: Tools -- Dailies (inf, combat lvls, profits)[online, sta
PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 3:41 pm 
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Narkis wrote:
The inf dailies may also have a slight problem. They currently show me as having run 91,003 inf so far today, while the only single mission I'm sure I finished after the update is a whale for 108,057.


At 0300 us/pacific March 03, dynarank said you had 2104437 total inf
At 1500 us/pacific March 03, dynarank said you had 2195440 total inf
The difference is 91003

Is anyone else seeing a difference in reported inf amounts in game vs the dynarank tracking the dailies use?

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 Post subject: Re: Tools -- Dailies (inf, combat lvls, profits)[online, sta
PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 3:53 pm 
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nehp wrote:
Narkis wrote:
The inf dailies may also have a slight problem. They currently show me as having run 91,003 inf so far today, while the only single mission I'm sure I finished after the update is a whale for 108,057.


At 0300 us/pacific March 03, dynarank said you had 2104437 total inf
At 1500 us/pacific March 03, dynarank said you had 2195440 total inf
The difference is 91003

Is anyone else seeing a difference in reported inf amounts in game vs the dynarank tracking the dailies use?


Is this simply an issue of gross vs net and when decay is applied?

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 Post subject: Re: Tools -- Dailies (inf, combat lvls, profits)[online, sta
PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 4:46 pm 
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Turbo Lance wrote:
nehp wrote:
Narkis wrote:
The inf dailies may also have a slight problem. They currently show me as having run 91,003 inf so far today, while the only single mission I'm sure I finished after the update is a whale for 108,057.


At 0300 us/pacific March 03, dynarank said you had 2104437 total inf
At 1500 us/pacific March 03, dynarank said you had 2195440 total inf
The difference is 91003

Is anyone else seeing a difference in reported inf amounts in game vs the dynarank tracking the dailies use?


Is this simply an issue of gross vs net and when decay is applied?


I don't know when the decay is running on the server right now, but decay doesn't seem to be part of this specific potential issue. 91003 vs 108057 is a rather small variation compared to Narkis' daily decay rate at the moment. The gross at 3pm vs 3am should be unaffected by game-applied decay (or dailies applied un-decay.)

I haven't been too active yet this round, so I'm a bit rusty on my infamatics.

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 Post subject: Re: Tools -- Dailies (inf, combat lvls, profits)[online, sta
PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 4:53 am 

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Indeed, my decay is a bit more than 40k each day. That's the first thing I thought too, but the numbers don't add up. Now, I haven't noticed discrepancies on another day, and I've checked. I'll report it if I do see something.

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 Post subject: Re: Tools -- Dailies (inf, combat lvls, profits)[online, sta
PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 1:04 pm 
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Narkis wrote:
Indeed, my decay is a bit more than 40k each day. That's the first thing I thought too, but the numbers don't add up. Now, I haven't noticed discrepancies on another day, and I've checked. I'll report it if I do see something.


Yeah, keep an eye on specifics. I can confirm the dailies are calculating correctly according to what they know from dynarank, but the accuracy of the data in dyna and what's actually recorded when you land a mission require more tracking.

Note that my decay adjustments kick in at a specific time, if it's not timed with the skyrates decay time, then things look funny for a few hours in the evening. I'm assuming it's still on the 2.5 post-HF timing as nobody has complained about it yet.

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 Post subject: Re: Tools -- Dailies (inf, combat lvls, profits)[online, sta
PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 8:28 pm 
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The influence dailies have been screwy for a couple of weeks now. Frequently I don't show up at all until about midnight PDT, not even as one of the people who have 0 inf that day. Other times it seems accurate to start with, then goes sideways -- today, for example, I was #2 at 2 pm, then completely disappeared at 3 pm, and at 9 pm I show as only 29k even though I've landed seven individual missions that are each larger than that between 3 am and 9 pm, plus of course hundreds of thousands of inf more in combined smaller missions. I haven't noticed this on either of the combat dailies, though I don't check too often, and I can't check on the trade dailies because I haven't traded for a dime in over two weeks.

Is anybody else experiencing this?


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 Post subject: Re: Tools -- Dailies (inf, combat lvls, profits)[online, sta
PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2011 9:11 pm 
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I really have no idea what it's using for the numbers. None of my completed missions since 10 PM last night add up to what it has as my daily total now, though one is fairly close. But since this is supposed to be pulling from the same numbers I'm looking at (and I don't have any odd bonuses like lucky cleaning or mentor) I have no idea what numbers it's looking at.

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 Post subject: Re: Tools -- Dailies (inf, combat lvls, profits)[online, sta
PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 4:00 pm 
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I decided yesterday to track my actual mission payouts against the dailies.

The lines at the top of every hour are taken from the dailies. I substitute the numbers in the "total" column for estimated or actual numbers at certain points. All times are EDT.

Code:
06:00    Blue Vast 0(gross inf)       -138,600(net inf)            6,930k(total inf)
09:32 +85,618 inf
10:38 +31,838
11:10 +22,585
_____
140,041


12:00   Blue Vast 140,041    -1,370       7,070k
12:38 +3,135
12:38 +1,650
_____
144,826


13:00   Blue Vast 144,826    3,320       7,075k
13:06 +9,075
13:29 +12,375
13:35 +3,300
13:35 +11,220
13:35 +3,300
_____
184,096


14:00   Blue Vast 184,096    41,804       7,114k
14:28 +11,220
14:28 +12,375
14:28 +13,200
_____
220,891


15:00     Blue Vast 220,891    77,863       7,151k
15:32 +11,220
15:40 +13,200
15:40 +12,375
_____
257,686


16:00    Blue Vast 257,686    113,922    7,188k
16:12 +6,188
16:34 +9,405
16:34 +9,075
_____
282,354


So far so good. Gross, net, and totals all track precisely. It's worth noting, as I hadn't noticed this before and I use this info later on, that the net column is a rolling sum of the total inf decay, calculated hourly, plus gross inf earned. For example, the net for 16:00 can be determined(though to a degree of uncertainty, since the total inf is rounded and always rounded down) by 257,686(gross inf) - ((7,188,000 total inf) * .02(rate of decay)). More importantly, we can use the commutative properties of addition and multiplication and figure out the total inf, though again with a degree of uncertainty, by calculating ((gross inf) - (net inf)) * 50.

Coming up, however, is the 17:30 EDT rollover, where flags change and the day's decay is deducted from total influence by the game servers. It's after this point that the dailies become more or less useless for 9 hours. People whose gross influence is less than their daily decay at this point go sub-zero on the dailies and won't show up again until they work their way out of the hole or until the shenanigans at 03:00 EDT.

Code:
17:00    Blue Vast 282,354    138,097    7,212k
17:07 +9,405
17:07 +3,135
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294,894

144,505(assumed daily decay) * 50 = 7,225,250(assumed total before rollover)
7,225,250 - 144,505 = 7,080,745(estimated total after rollover)

17:30 rollover = 7,080,861 actual total inf

294,894(actual gross inf) - 144,505(assumed decay) = 150,389

17:48 +6,188
17:48 +6,930
17:48 +9,075
_____
172,582(estimated tracked gross inf) (317,087 actual gross inf)


I run into a problem here because I do not have the exact total inf for 17:00. I can get a number close to the reported 18:00 gross, within .002% accuracy, using a number of different calculations I omit here, which I chalk up to a rounding error.

However, from this point on a number reoccurs which is the difference between the tracked and actual gross influence numbers, 144,505, which I use above and assume is the daily decay subtracted from my influence total at the moment of rollover.

Code:
18:00    Blue Vast 172,582    30,520       7,103k
18:30 +9,405
18:40 +6,558
18:40 +11,220
18:40 +3,135
18:40 +3,300
_____
206,200(expected tracked gross inf) - (350,705 actual gross inf) = -144,505(difference between tracked and actual gross inf)


19:00    Blue Vast 206,200    63,466       7,136k
19:15 +5,775
19:25 +9,075
19:36 +11,220
_____
232,270 - (376,775) = -144,505


20:00    Blue Vast 232,270    89,015       7,162k
20:16 +11,220
20:16 +6,188
20:20 +9,075
20:20 +3,135
20:20 +3,135
_____
265,023 - (409,528) = -144,505


21:00     Blue Vast 265,023    121,113    7,195k

22:00    Blue Vast 265,023    121,113    7,195k

23:00     Blue Vast 265,023    121,113    7,195k
23:47 +57,128
23:47 +1,650
_____
323,801 - (468,306) = -144,505


00:00     Blue Vast 323,801    178,715    7,254k
00:24 +6,188
00:24 +9,405
00:24 +9,075
00:55 +6,282
_____
354,751 - (499,256) = -144,505


01:00    Blue Vast 354,751    209,046    7,285k    
01:05 +5,863
01:30 +9,213
_____
369,827 - (514,332) = -144,505


02:00     Blue Vast 369,827    223,821    7,300k
02:06 +6,282
02:06 +7,035
02:18 +9,213
___
392,357 - (536,862) = -144,505


From 18:00 to 02:00 everything tracks precisely again. It's 03:00 EDT, or Midnight Pacific, when things go really wonky:

Code:
03:00    Blue Vast 541,802    392,357    7,322,829(actual total inf)
03:02 +6,282
03:02 +9,548
03:02 +7,035
03:35 +3,350
____
568,017(expected tracked inf) - (563,077 actual gross inf) = 4,940

541,802(tracked gross inf on the hour) - (536,862 actual gross inf on the hour) = 4,940

7,322,829(actual total inf) - 6,930,472(estimated inf at start of the day) = 392,357(actual net)


The total and net influence are accurate. There's a discrepancy of 4,940 between the tracked gross influence and the actual gross influence. You'll notice here that the actual net influence at 03:00 is exactly the same number as the tracked gross influence would be had things not gone wonky.

Code:
04:00    Blue Vast 568,552    418,572    7,349k
04:08 +6,282
04:08 +5,863
_____
580,697 - (575,222) = 5,475


05:00    Blue Vast 580,945    430,717    7,361,189(actual total inf)
05:25 +9,213
05:51 +7,125
05:51 +7,905
_____
605,188 - (599,465) = 5,723

7,361,189 - 6,930,472 = 430,717


06:00    Blue Vast 605,683    454,960    7,385,432(actual total inf)
_____
605,683 - (599,465) = 6,218

605,683(tracked gross) - 454,960(tracked net) = 150,723(tracked decay).
150,723 * 50 = 7,536,150(??)

150,723(tracked decay) - 144,505(decay at rollover) = 6,218.

454,960(tracked net) + 144,505(assumed day's decay) = 599,465(actual gross inf gain)

7,385,432(actual total inf at the end of the day) * .02 = 147,708.6(actual decay?)
599,465(actual gross) - 147,708(actual decay?) = 451,757(actual net?)
599,465 - 451,757 = 147,708

599,465(actual gross) - 454,960(net) = 144,505(decay at rollover)
7,385,432(end inf) - 6,930,472(est. start inf) = 454,960(net inf)


You see the discrepancy between the tracked gross influence and actual gross influence grow larger with each hour until the tracker stops for the day, however the total inf and net inf seem to track precisely and accurately.

Something's broken, but the heck if I know what it is. Probably my maths. :remydizzy:

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 Post subject: Re: Tools -- Dailies (inf, combat lvls, profits)[online, sta
PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 2:29 pm 
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Hey, any chance you can add an "Everyone but Indie" option to the inf dailies?


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 Post subject: Re: Tools -- Dailies (inf, combat lvls, profits)[online, sta
PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 6:12 am 
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nehp wrote:
That URL now redirects to http://www.awesomepennystocks.com/pd/. Do not want.

The one you probably want is http://skyrates.zosimple.net/, as linked in later threads.


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