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 Post subject: Moose repeatedly offering same 5 missions
PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 4:31 pm 

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For the last 1.5-2.5 days, the moose has only been offering missions from a limited palate of five different non-Legacy missions. This is over a span of, say 40 different trips to the tavern and 150k influence. There at least 6 other moose missions which I've completed before, and several that I'm searching for in vain. I estimate the odds of this being random chance as less than 10^{-12}.

This seems to only apply to the moose, not the lion or badger.

Edit: those five missions being: Pipeline, Get Me Home, Taxi Service, Barrels of Candy, and Airmail. (Oh how I miss those bygone days of helping all of y'all, and transporting carnivorous plants.)


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 1:05 pm 

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One thing that occurs to me is that I switched into a Mantis about 6 days ago. This problem could easily have been going on for that long without me noticing during the first several days. There are supposedly plane tier requirements for some missions -- maybe the Mantis' tier of 4.5 is breaking some bit of code?

I've tried ignoring this selection of missions, picking them up and dropping them immediately, and completing them. None of these seems to work.

This problem wouldn't be so annoying except that I'm still missing the whole "Transporting a..." mission sequence. Suggestions appreciated.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 3:12 pm 
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i've changed the mantis' tier in the db; let me know if that helps things for you.

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Yay! I got a new set of moose missions on the last three landings. Now I can bring fish and pillows to the grateful citizens of Skytopia!

/me :love:'s phil!


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 7:39 pm 
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phil wrote:
i've changed the mantis' tier in the db; let me know if that helps things for you.

-PL-


Now I'm seeing moose missions I've never seen before.

There's a lot about mission selection I don't know about. :fear:

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Blue Vast wrote:
Now I'm seeing moose missions I've never seen before.

There's a lot about mission selection I don't know about. :fear:


It's a frightening black box that needs a good kick in the pants.


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Blue Vast wrote:
phil wrote:
i've changed the mantis' tier in the db; let me know if that helps things for you.

-PL-


Now I'm seeing moose missions I've never seen before.


Let me guess, they all still suck?


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 8:50 pm 
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Alessan wrote:
Blue Vast wrote:
phil wrote:
i've changed the mantis' tier in the db; let me know if that helps things for you.

-PL-


Now I'm seeing moose missions I've never seen before.


Let me guess, they all still suck?


I don't know, I'm still working towards your mission sequences. Every bit helps when the lion falls flat on me. :razz:

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 1:42 am 
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Alright, I've spent the last few days working on the mission list, and checking each one off as I find it completed in my logs or pick it up and then complete it.

These are the ones I've yet to check off:

    Cargo Missions

    Medium Risk

    * Shipment of Weapons 20 cargo, Medium - Needs all

    Skyland Trust

    * Give us the tools to defend ourselves!
    * Lead us to honor! (Trust2) - Needs all
    * Valuable Parts (Trust 4) Needs gold/inf rates

    Trade Prestige

    * Transporting the Duchess (Prestige 5) Needs who gives it, data, gold/inf rates
    * Transporting the Duke (Prestige 4)
    * Transporting the Guardsmen (Prestige 2) - Needs gold/inf rates

    Combat Missions

    Skyland Trust

    * Generosity (Trust 2)


A number of those I'm not concerned with: Shipment of weapons, Give us the tools, Lead us to Honor, Generosity. The first three sound like red-specific missions to me, and the fourth sounds Green-specific.

However, I have never seen the Transporting the Duchess/Duke/Guardsman missions.

I have seen the 'Valuable Parts' mission once before(and subsequently dropped it for another mission), and took it around the time that the contest for Lhasa ended, but I certainly haven't seen it in at least the past four days.

So, my questions are, are the 'Transporting' missions tied to the 'Valuable Parts' mission? Are they faction-specific? Tier 6 craft only? Has anyone else seen 'Valuable Parts' lately?

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 1:16 pm 
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Transporting is its own tier, and I see those semi-regularly.

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I also have a list of missions I've been looking out for, and it's precisely the same as BV's.

I haven't seen Valuable Parts since at least the middle of Legacy when I started my list, and maybe never. There was a day or two when old missions (including timed missions) were showing up -- maybe Valuable Parts is one of those?

I think the sequence for the Transporting... missions should be:
Oh God my head -> Moving a Family -> Transporting a Whale -> Transporting the Guardsmen -> ... Duke -> ... Duchess. However, I've been stuck after bringing Skymu home for at least a week. Is it possible there's a bug here? I think I saw two different variants of the Whale mission, one with a typo where the "people of @" thank you and one without the typo. Maybe some developer fixed the typo but broke something else? Or maybe the RNG just hates me.


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The more information that you all gather, the better we can judge. Thank you all.


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alliisara wrote:
Transporting is its own tier, and I see those semi-regularly.


I've never seen the transporting guardsman/duke/duchess missions. Earlier I assumed phil, when he changed the mantis' tier, bumped the mantis up to tier 5 and that would make our planes the same tier and eliminate that as a possibility. I wonder if my assumption is correct. :worry:

Alessan wrote:
I think I saw two different variants of the Whale mission, one with a typo where the "people of @" thank you and one without the typo. Maybe some developer fixed the typo but broke something else? Or maybe the RNG just hates me.


I saw that too and just figured it was the bug being fixed. I'll pick up the 'fixed' one next time I see it. You should too. :razz:

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Glad to help. :cheeky: I'm not sure how much more I'll be able to provide short of redoing my list in the next few days, though.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 8:21 am 
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Another day, another set of :alert::query:s

I decided I'd buckle down and go through the mission list again this morning, utilizing the 300 most recent missions in my mission log. If there were missions that I couldn't cross off from the most recent 300 I would do them as I found them.

After I scratched things off the list I flew around the core for >4 hours to pick-up and complete what I could, landing a total of 21 times.

For reference, total missions now are ~2640. Legacy missions end at 565.

Here's what's left after that, the missions marked X do not appear in my mission log anywhere:

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Cargo Missions

Low Risk
* Taxi Service (Last Entry 563, success)

Medium Risk
X * A Melted Venture
* Get Me Home! (LE 560, sucess)
* Movement of Goods (LE 564, success)
X * Shipment of Weapons

High Risk
* Barrels of Candy (LE 559, success)
* Smuggled Goods (LE 1314, success)
* The Pipeline (LE 1003, failure; Last Successful Entry 1323)

Skyland Trust
X * Give us the tools to defend ourselves! (anti-blue? or pro-red?)
X * Lead us to honor! (Trust2)
* Valuable Parts (Trust 4) (Last and ONLY Entry 1322, failure)

Trade Prestige
X * Transporting the Duchess (Prestige 5)
X * Transporting the Duke (Prestige 4)
X * Transporting the Guardsmen (Prestige 2)

Faction Specific
X * Arm us against decadence! (Trust2) - Red specific?
X * Controlled Secrets - Green specific?
X * Guard Duty of the Armada
X * Ideas Cannot Feed a Man - needs faction-specific
X * We grow tired of war... (Trust 2) (Suspected Green on Red)


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Combat Missions

Low Risk

* Big Flyswatting (LE 1691, failure; LSE 1745)
* Flyswatting (LE 1246, failure; LSE 1746)

Medium Risk

X * Icecream Show

High Risk

* Breaking the Blockade (LE 1149, success)
X * Protection Fees (50000g, -5000inf) -- Removed

Skyland Trust

X * Generosity (Trust 2)
X * We grow tired of bloody war (Trust 2) (pro-green?)
X * Generous Rebellion (Trust 3) (pro-Green?)

Faction Specific

X * Bring order to chaos!
X * Guard Duty of the Armada
X * The Republic's Protection (Suspected pro-Green)

Miscellaneous

* Treasure Hunt! - needs data (LSE 2633) (I see it all the time, but please don't make me do this one again)


So after 21 landings, these are the missions which I have done before, but now as a group appear to be rarer than Eltsina's Boons(I saw at least two during this time) or nonexistent:

Quote:
Cargo Missions

Low Risk
* Taxi Service (Last Entry 563, success)

Medium Risk
* Get Me Home! (LE 560, sucess)
* Movement of Goods (LE 564, success)

High Risk
* Barrels of Candy (LE 559, success)
* Smuggled Goods (LE 1314, success)
* The Pipeline (LE 1003, failure; Last Successful Entry 1323)

Skyland Trust
* Valuable Parts (Trust 4) (Last and ONLY Entry 1322, failure)

Combat Missions

Low Risk
* Big Flyswatting (LE 1691, failure; LSE 1745)
* Flyswatting (LE 1246, failure; LSE 1746)

High Risk
* Breaking the Blockade (LE 1149, success)


If you notice, all those cargo missions come from the Moose. Which is an interesting, especially being a slightly different and incomplete, turnaround from the title post of this thread:

Alessan wrote:
For the last 1.5-2.5 days, the moose has only been offering missions from a limited palate of five different non-Legacy missions...Those five missions being: Pipeline, Get Me Home, Taxi Service, Barrels of Candy, and Airmail. (Oh how I miss those bygone days of helping all of y'all, and transporting carnivorous plants.)


What the heck are you guys doing to my missions?

:razz:

I still haven't seen Valuable Parts for the past two weeks or the Transporting Guardsman/Duke/Duchess missions ever - and I have been very vigilant.

Is there anything specific you(the devs) would like me to try? I'm up for anything, but if you want me to do a treasure hunt I'd have to request some 'divine intervention' telling me where the destination is.

:secret:

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 7:16 am 
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I haven't sorted these for recency, so I couldn't say which are currently cropping up, but Kyra's comment piqued my interest. So I went through my global mission log and compared it to the RDC at the Skybrary, to see if there are any missions I've never done. The results:

-These I've seen but never taken:
Air Mail
Taxi Service
Get me home!
Movement of goods
Barrels of candy
Valuable parts

-These I've never taken but I think I've seen (but am not sure):
I suppose we can deal
Generosity

-This I've taken twice, but never completed:
Desperate times

-This I've never seen, but I'm pretty sure has been removed:
Icecream Show

-These I've never seen and am fairly sure it's because they're for other factions:
We grow tired of bloody war
The Conclave's Blessing
We Desire Freedom!
The Republic's Protection
We Long to Aspire Once More
Controlled Secrets
Ideas Cannot Feed a Man
Intellectual Expansion
What is Wealth Without Truth
We grow tired of war

Every other mission that's listed in the RDC (including Generous Rebellion, which I thought would have been faction specific but which I apparently completed, and a Treasure Hunt early in my career that I was somewhat surprised to nail) I've successfully completed at least once, with the exception of these:

Transporting the Guardsman
Transporting the Duke
Transporting the Duchess

I would think they're apocryphal, except Kyra says she gets them, and my list also shares BV's never-completed: Valuable Parts. I think we might have found the track.


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World chat:
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phil: guardsmen should be fixed

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Alessan wrote:
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phil: guardsmen should be fixed

:love: :love: :love:


Was it? :worry:

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I haven't seen it. I think phil denied on the Radio that Valuable Parts was a pre-req, although he's occasionally cagey about this sort of thing.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 6:23 pm 
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I haven't seen it. I think phil denied on the Radio that Valuable Parts was a pre-req, although he's occasionally cagey about this sort of thing.


I'm stating the obvious, but I haven't seen it either. I even did a 'Transporting a Whale' mission, and it's been 16 touchdowns since.

Of course, even if Guardsman was fixed, there's still a slew of missions that plainly aren't showing up.

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I just got Guardsman. I've still never done Valuable Parts.

The mission is 10 cargo, low risk, and appears to be 1.8 G/km, and 1.5 inf/km. And even though it's out of my way, I'll accept just for posterity's sake.

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